So, You Got a Rogers Android Phone for Christmas… Now What?!

Article has been updated (Dec 26 11:50pm)

Article Summary:

• You got an HTC Dream or Magic, or LG Eve with Android from Rogers for Christmas

• You’re stuck with version 1.5 on Android, even though versions 1.6 and 2.0 have been out for some time

• Rogers blames HTC, but HTC would have to customize 1.6 for Rogers, so…

For the past few weeks or so, Rogers Wireless in Canada has been pushing their “web phones” on Canadians as the perfect Christmas gift for you and your family members, especially at the rock-bottom price of $0.99 if you signed up for a new contract! As a result many of you might have woken up yesterday to the excitement of a shiny new Android phone under the tree. Perhaps you received the HTC Magic, or the HTC Dream. Maybe you received the LG Eve? All three are very cool, very slick phones and they probably dazzled you right out of the box with their computing prowess and availability of amazing apps from the Google Market Place. Why, it’s just like having an iPhone, only much, much cooler!

If you’re reading this, and you were one of the lucky ones to receive a Rogers Android phone as a gift this Christmas, chances are you stumbled across this site while searching on Google or Bing for ideas, tips & tricks for how to use your phone. (Personally I recommend the Android Forums at http://androidforums.com/). As much as I’d like you to be madly in love with your new Rogers Android phone, I’m afraid I have to pour a bit of cold water on your Christmas Android cheer.

You may not like to hear it, but your shiny, new Rogers Android phone is now… (arguably) obsolete, or at least it’s getting there pretty fast. “WTF?” I hear you demand… well, allow me to explain.

Some of you may not be too familiar with Android yet, so I’ll give you a quick primer. You have likely heard your phone referred to as a “Google phone” or an “Android phone”, but that’s a wee bit misleading. Android is an operating system (OS) just like Windows XP, Windows 7, or the Mac OS. In this case, Android is a version Linux, and it is made by Google. Google decided Android should be “open source”, which means that they gave away the Android OS for FREE to anyone who wants to use it. That’s right, free. So cell phone manufacturers like HTC, LG, Samsung, Motorola and others were allowed to take the Android OS and install it on their phones at no cost. Some of these phone manufacturers customized the Android OS to make it look a bit cooler, or to add certain functions or bells & whistles. Regardless, it’s important to note that an Android phone, like the iPhone, is not just an ordinary phone with some cool add-ons; an Android phone is, in fact, a mini computer that can make phone calls.

Now, just like your Windows or Mac computer, the Android OS occasionally gets some bug fixes and security patches, but it also gets upgrades to the OS. Imagine it’s like on your Windows PC when you upgraded from Windows 95 to Windows XP, and then to Windows Vista, and maybe even to the awesome Windows 7. Sometimes your computer is too old to be able to run the newest version of Windows, so you have to buy a new one, but usually your PC is good for at least two or three OS versions before you have to buy a new PC. Android phones are the same way. Google started Android phones with version 1.0, then progressed to 1.1, 1.5, 1.6, and 2.0. They’re working on 2.1 now. With each upgrade of Android, you get cooler stuff, more functions, and better performance, just like on your computer.

The problem, however, is this: the Rogers Android phones all come with version 1.5 of the Android OS.

Version 1.6 became available to the phone manufacturers Sept. 15 2009. It started rolling out on phones around the beginning of October, but not in Canada. In the United states T-Mobile customers have the HTC G1 (Rogers HTC Dream) and the HTC MyTouch (Rogers HTC Magic). These US versions of the phone actually have lower specs than the Rogers one, but they got the new OS upgrade. Not only did they get it, it was sent to their phones! They didn’t have to download anything, or configure anything, or load anything. They received a notification that the upgrade was available, and BAM they were able to have it sent right to their phones. So, not only are the same phones from HTC (with LOWER specs!) capable of running the new version of the Android OS, but the users didn’t have to do anything to get it.

In Canada, however, with Rogers it is now Dec 26th, and we still don’t have Android 1.6. In the US and other parts of the world, new Android phones are already coming out with Android 2.0! But we’re still stuck on 1.5.

For about a month now a large (and growing) community of angry Rogers Android customers has been pestering, cajoling, and berating Rogers and HTC in an attempt to get some answers, and to get the upgrades that we were, in some cases, promised we would get. Store clerks and Rogers customer service reps all across Canada were confidently telling customers that if they bought an HTC Magic or an HTC Dream they would be able to get updates for the phones, including 1.6, no problem. Problem is, it wasn’t true. At first those of us complaining were told everything from “No, you can’t get it” to “You will get it eventually but we don’t know when”, to “You’ll have it by end of Oct/Nov/Dec”. Some Rogers CSRs were even telling people they could download 1.6 NOW from the Rogers support web site. Again, this was not true; the only file available on the Rogers site was just a bug fix/security update for 1.5.

You can read the whole twisted story here: http://androidforums.com/rogers/10647-rogers-dream-1-6-update.html

In the end, after we took our complaints all the way up to multiple people in the Office of the President (OotP) we were told by those officials that they would be getting the update from HTC by the end of December to test and evaluate, and that we might get it in the beginning of 2010. Sadly this was just another example of bumbling by Rogers staff who, somehow, confused 1.6 with 1.5 even though we all specifically asked them for 1.6. What they apparently meant was that they would be getting some more updates to 1.5 from HTC, not 1.6.

Instead, the current official word from Rogers is to blame HTC, who now have this posted on their web site (as for the LG Eve, there has been no word yet from LG):

HTC is not currently planning any Android 1.6 upgrades for Rogers Dream or Magic. Android 1.6 was only made available for “Google”-branded devices such as the G1. It is not available for HTC-branded products such as the Dream or Magic, which use Android 1.5. We believe that Android 1.5 is a stable and reliable software platform that delivers a terrific user experience

We did a little more digging to find out exactly what was going on, because we know 1.6 exists, and we know it works on our phones! After some back & forth with a Rogers rep named RogersMary (read this) we have determined the following:

• HTC customized Android 1.5 for the Rogers HTC Magic and Dream. This includes the Rogers icons you will find on your phone, some custom wallpapers, and apparently the requirements to use Microsoft Exchange (this is only necessary if you want to use your phone with your work email, and only if your work uses Microsoft Exchange).

• HTC would need to customize 1.6 before we would be able to use it.

• HTC says they won’t customize it.

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EDIT (11:12pm) RogersMary has added a comment below, wanting to clarify my statement about whether or not HTC would do customization for Rogers without being asked. To be fair, I am posting the important parts of her comments in context to my comments, and I am including my rebuttal. If RogersMary comments further I will be happy to post it in full.

RogerMary said:

First off you say, “There is some confusion over whether or not Rogers would have to ask HTC for 1.6 to be customized, but it stands to reason HTC wouldn’t do any customization for Rogers if Rogers didn’t want it.” There is no confusion here. It IS up to HTC to customize the operating system. Rogers HAS asked for it. Although HTC did initially say they had no plans to upgrade the OS for Dream or Magic they have now agreed to investigate options and get back to us.

My response: Mary, we obviously accept that HTC must do the actual customization, that much has already been made clear. To clarify the point I was trying to make, I can’t believe that HTC would go out of their way to make Rogers-specific customizations to the OS (for Rogers network, the Rogers branding, the Rogers icons and apps) without being asked by Rogers to do so, that wouldn’t make any sense. That would be like a car dealer adding a sun-roof and painting your car purple, without you asking, and when all you wanted was the stock black version with a solid roof. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the Rogers-specific customizations there because Rogers asked for them? Furthermore, if Rogers is the customer of HTC, then why would HTC refuse to do what Rogers asked of them, unless either they are incapable of doing it, or unwilling to do it?

So, let’s avoid any confusion then, give us the straight honest truth: If Rogers asked HTC to customize 1.6 for the Rogers HTC Magic & Dream, why did HTC refuse? To continue the car dealership analogy, if I were buying a car that I knew was available in red, why would the dealer refuse to sell me a red one if I asked for it?

The speculation (we are trying to confirm this at the moment) goes like this; we believe Rogers would have to pay HTC for the customization (something some people say they should have negotiated when they originally made the deal with HTC?) and that this is the sticking point.

EDIT (11:24) Mary also takes issue with this part of my post above, where I refer to speculation in other blogs and the forums about whether or not Rogers must pay for this update, and whether or not this is a sticking point. Here is the quote from Mary’s comment below:

Next, you say that cost is the sticking point. This is not true. We haven’t discussed cost yet because HTC doesn’t have an OS upgrade available. As indicated above, they’re now considering options.

My response: Mary, maybe you can help us by clearing this us, because it has been asked repeatedly by myself and others, here and elsewhere; Does Rogers have to pay HTC for an update to 1.6? You say that cost hasn’t been discussed because  “HTC doesn’t have an OS upgrade avaiable”. Well, I’m sorry but this is where we get in to some wacky logic, so help me clear it up. HTC does have an OS upgrade for the HTC Magic and Dream to 1.6, it was released to them by Google, and it is already working on the same or similar phones elsewhere in the world (the ones that are “Google” branded). What they don’t have is an upgrade version of the OS customized for Rogers! Now we’re back to my question above; why would HTC refuse to create a customized version of Android 1.6 for Rogers?

You are saying:

1. Rogers has asked HTC for an update.

2. HTC says they have no plans to make an update for Rogers.

3. Because HTC doesn’t have an OS upgrade available, Rogers hasn’t discussed cost.

4. Android 1.6 does exist. Android 1.6 does work on the HTC Magic and Dream.

5. A version of 1.6 customized for Rogers does not exist.

So we go around in circles. Rogers says cost was not discussed because no update exists. No update exists because it would have to be customized for Rogers. HTC has no plans to make this update, even though Rogers has asked for it.

Something isn’t adding up.
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So, that’s where YOU stand right now with Rogers, HTC, and your shiny, new Rogers Android phone. No 1.6 for you!

Now, I hear you ask “Um, so? Why should I care? My phone works, so what?”

Well, the problem is this; just like getting upgrades to your Windows or Mac computer, the newer versions of Android give you exciting new functions, access to new apps (programs), make the phone faster, use less battery, and many other things. You can see a list here of the differences between OS versions, and here. There are some exciting new things you won’t be able to use, like the new Google Goggles, which lets you point your phone camera at something, take a photo, and have google search online for all relevant stuff. You won’t be able to use the new awesome turn by turn GPS stuff, or the updated new Google Market Place.

You also won’t be able to use any of the new apps (programs) being released in the Market Place that require 1.6 or above to work. In fact, as the “Devs” (people who make the apps) make newer version of their apps, if they can’t or won’t make them backwards compatible for 1.5, the old 1.5 versions will disappear from the store. This means that it is entirely possible that without an upgrade to 1.6 for our phones, you will eventually find few, or no, apps in the Market Place, unless Devs leave older versions for us, or make their new apps backwards compatible. Here is a working list of 1.6 apps that won’t work in 1.5. I’m sure there are, or will be more, it’s hard to know since we can’t even see them in the Market Place!

Alright, so you have a new Rogers HTC Magic or Dream Android phone, you’ve just found out your phone is running an obsolete version of the OS, and you want to know what to do next.

Well, you can join us in our fight to get 1.6 for our phones (and eventually 2.0!). We have a forum thread here. Join and voice your opinion on the matter. We know Rogers is watching the thread, they’ve sent RogersMary in a few times to talk to us.

You can also go through the official Rogers complaint process here. It is important that you go through each step, so they can’t ignore you for failing to jump through their hoops. At step 3 you can contact the Office of the President. Be careful, they tend not to really know what they’re talking about, and may tell you things that aren’t true simply because they don’t understand Android. Anything they promise or tell you should be verified in the forum, or by contacting RogersMary (see below).

UPDATE (11:38) – Mary didn’t like that I’d reposted contact info for some of the Rogers management here. As a show of good faith I have removed them for now. I reserve the right to repost them in the future. Rogers isn’t a secret society, and as consumers we have the right to complain to them directly. For the record, that contact info was originally posted by someone in the forums, and I can only assume that they found it elsewhere on the web, so I can’t imagine it’s all that hard to find. If we don’t see some real results (ie. Android 1.6 and/or 2.0) I will have no qualms about putting them back up.

Via Twitter:

@RogersMary: http://twitter.com/RogersMary

Now, if you feel you can’t wait for Rogers & HTC to get us the update (or they continue to refuse to) you have two more options (other than just giving up).

1. Root your phone. “Rooting” your phone means to “hack” it to get rid of the version of the Android OS Rogers had HTC install, and replace it with a plain version of the Android OS, thus allowing you to upgrade it as you wish. Now, the problem is, of course, this is a risky thing to do. If you do it wrong, you could end up with a phone that no longer works (referred to as a “brick” because that’s all it will be good for). So, if you decide to go this route, you’re on your own, don’t say I didn’t warn you, and don’t blame me if it goes wrong. I won’t link to any sites for rooting here, but you can easily find them by searching with Google, or by going to the forums I mentioned at the top. By the way, if you root your phone, and it gets “bricked”, it’s NOT covered under warranty, so Rogers won’t fix it or exchange it for you.

2. Return your phone to Rogers. I know, you just got it and you love it. Well, then I guess you’ll have to settle for 1.5 (and not getting any of the cool stuff in 1.6 or 2.0) unless Rogers and HTC change their minds. Otherwise, take it back. Tell them you want your money back and to be released from your contract with NO penalty or Early Termination Fee, or ask them to exchange the phone for another phone. Just an FYI, many of us in the forum have asked to exchange it for an iPhone, and were told no. We’re still trying to find out if this is the official policy for anyone who asks, or, as RogersMary stated, if it depends upon your account.

Many of were told (all the way to Christmas Eve!) that we would be able to get 1.6 for our phones, so we were misled by the store clerks in to buying this phone based on the belief we could get the upgrade. Read more here and here.

Ultimately you may be the kind of user who doesn’t care about this sort of thing, you just need a phone to make calls, and send text messages or emails, or maybe you like to buy a new phone every 6 months. For the rest of you, who wanted a cool phone like the iPhone, sorry, but at this point Rogers and HTC aren’t going to give us the level of service they give to their iPhone customers.

UPDATE (11:41): Mary posted the following in her comment below:

I understand you frustration. We at Rogers are dealing with unprecedented circumstances here, which sometimes come with being the first to market with new, innovative phones and being a leader in the industry. We are doing the best we can to learn from these experiences and communicate with our customers.

My response: Seriously? We keep trying to explain this to people at Rogers, and it boggles my mind that they don’t get it. These are not “phones” in the traditional sense of the word. These aren’t like a Motorola Razr, or some other “old-school” cell phone. Android phones are MINI-COMPUTERS. You know the iPhone? Well, Android phones are JUST LIKE iPhones! Yes, they make phone calls and can be used to send text messages, but just like an iPhone, an Android phone runs apps, little programs like on your PC. Just like the iPhone, we download apps from the Android Market Place.

Rogers has relegated Android phones in the marketing to being “web” phones, and somehow inferior to the glorious iPhone. What Rogers fails to realize, is that like the iPhone, Android phones don’t require the web to work. The MAJORITY of the apps on my Android phone are used when I am offline. I take notes, I play games, I even create Word, Excel, and Powerpoint documents on my Android phone! These are not “web phones”, these are mini little computers. They work like iPhones, and we should be getting the same support as your iPhone customers.

As for “unprecedented circumstances”, they are only “unprecedented” because Rogers seems not to have done their homework before adding them to their roster. If Rogers had picked a handful of people, including managers, and had them become Android experts (or even just spend some time reading some Android blogs) before jumping on the Android bandwagon, they would have known what they were getting in to, they would have known these phones need to be upgraded, and the circumstances would not be “unprecedented”.

For a “Leader in the industry”, Rogers seems to be pretty far behind. What you seem to be telling us, Mary, is the Rogers wasn’t really ready… for Android.

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  3. chrisyak says:

    Great article!!!! Very well done and good summary of what has been going on with rogers android here in Canada.Am sure you problay have scared every single new android user that has read this but it is the truth and they will find it out eventually.I wish i had something like this to read before i had got my HTC Dream.I think i would have returned mine but that is only after all the stuff we have gone through that i feel that way.I do feel sorry for those that got this great Christmas present cause it is a really cool phone but if the carrier won’t support properly and neither with the manufacturer that phone will not be very cool for long cause it already outdated before you opened it.

  4. RogersMary says:

    Michael – While I appreciate your recap of the events above, I feel there are a couple of misconceptions I need to correct.

    First off you say, “There is some confusion over whether or not Rogers would have to ask HTC for 1.6 to be customized, but it stands to reason HTC wouldn’t do any customization for Rogers if Rogers didn’t want it.” There is no confusion here. It IS up to HTC to customize the operating system. Rogers HAS asked for it. Although HTC did initially say they had no plans to upgrade the OS for Dream or Magic they have now agreed to investigate options and get back to us.

    Next, you say that cost is the sticking point. This is not true. We haven’t discussed cost yet because HTC doesn’t have an OS upgrade available. As indicated above, they’re now considering options.

    Also, you list a group of Rogers emails. This is not necessary. As I have indicated, I have been working directly with our internal teams and with HTC. When there is information to share, I will have it and I will share it as I have been actively doing. If you have questions/comments, your best course of action is directly through me.

    I understand you frustration. We at Rogers are dealing with unprecedented circumstances here, which sometimes come with being the first to market with new, innovative phones and being a leader in the industry. We are doing the best we can to learn from these experiences and communicate with our customers.

    I will get back to you when I have more to share.

    Thanks
    Mary

  5. Puleen Patel says:

    Just when I think this issue is not getting enough attention, MSchmidt, you exceed all my expectations with informative and fresh updates to this blog for current and future customers in the hopes that they can avoid getting duped into their hard earned money.

    Kudos to you and keep it up. I’m right beside you in this fight to get 1.6

    Rogers, give us 1.6 or lose us (and others) for life.

  6. Tim says:

    Excellent summary! I have been following this saga with Rogers over on Android forums for quite some time, and as a Rogers customer and Android owner I am getting really annoyed at the inconsistency in their responses to date.

    I have personally convinced a few dozen friends who were in the market to stay away from Rogers branded Android phones over the past few months. Pretty soon I’m going to be steering people away from Rogers entirely if this keeps up…

  7. nloko says:

    As much as I want this update, I think, because we don’t have all the facts, Rogers should not take all the blame for this. ‘I think’ the donut update from tmobile came from Google. The update is based on the Google branded hardware, which is slightly different from the hardware Rogers sells in Canada. Therefore, it seems that HTC would have to first create the base build for this hardware before even doing the customization work for Rogers. This would require an investment of time and money from HTC that may not make much sense for them to commit to. So, ‘i think’ this is why the update came so quickly for the Google branded phones sold by tmobile and not for us. I keep emphasizing ‘i think’ because we have been kept in the dark about such specifics. It would be nice if someone from Google, HTC or Rogers could clarify things.

  8. Saggy says:

    VERY TRUE AND EXCELLENT POST. YOU’VE COVERED EACH AND EVERY CORNER OF THIS MATTER, AND IT COULDN’T HAVE BEEN DONE IN BETTER WAY THAN THIS.

    THEY MUST FEEL THE HEAT AND TAKE THIS MATTER SERIOUSLY…

    IF ROGEURS WANTS TO BE IN BUSINESS THEN THEY SHOULD STOP DISAPPOINTING THEIR CUSTOMERS AND TRY TO PROVIDE GOOD/COMPETITIVE SERVICES TO RETAIN THEM.

    THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THERE’S NOTHING BIGGER THAN MOUTH PUBLICITY. PEOPLE CAN MAKE IT AND PEOPLE ONLY CAN BREAK IT.

  9. Puleen Patel says:

    While I commend the good intentions which motivated Rogers to bring Android to the Canadian market, by no means would I qualify Rogers as a “leader”. This issue of updating Android to 1.6 in itself in indicative of the lack of leadership in this new market. Questions as simple as “What are our Android update plans and/or roadmaps?” should’ve been asked first when Rogers considered bringing Android phones and devices into the Canadian market. These questions cannot be asked after the fact. Furthermore, having customers complain about the lack of upgrade roadmap is the first and foremost indicator that Rogers has not understood Android and hence is not a leader by any means.

    Furthermore, being a leader in the marketplace is not only made up of the vast majority of coverage area being served, but rather a holistic supremacy at customer experience, service and providing a competitive edge. Rogers fails at all three.

  10. Puleen Patel says:

    Anyone with half a brain and know how of the Web can figure out the contact information for anyone at Rogers.

    http://your.rogers.com/aboutrogers/newsroom/wirelessmediainfo/media_contacts.asp

    After all this is public information which cannot and should not be controlled or dictated against from posting.

  11. bubbacanuck says:

    What’s so different about a Rogers HTC Magic or the network and the other versions of the exact same phone on the many providers all over the planet? Someone at Rogers didn’t read up on what an open OS is. I can find you a teenager or bored adult that would be happy to build a suitable ROM. so in essence, b.s.
    My ‘hacked’ 1.6 works great so I fail to see the problem @rogers. I stopped whining and crying and just put my own ROM on it. Any decent developer out there can build a ROM that works.

  12. mjschmidt says:

    @nloko: Of course HTC needs to shoulder some blame in this, but it seems like Rogers maybe didn’t have all the facts before they got in to this? If they had done the proper research beforehand, they would have known that these phones require upgrades. The T-Mobile updates may have come from Google, but they are working on HTC hardware. If HTC knew that the OS would have to be customized because of _hardware_ requirements for Rogers, then why did Rogers get that hardware if there was no agreement or understanding that upgrades would need to be done?

    In the end, if this _hardware_ was so different that there was never any intention by HTC or Rogers to provide upgrades, then Rogers store clerks, CSRs, and tech support personnel should not have been telling customers that they _would_ be able to get 1.6, even as recently as Dec 24th!

    If the fault lies completely with HTC, then Rogers needs to be more transparent about that and give _us_ the facts. Rogers is HTC’s customer, and I’m sure HTC wants to keep a good relationship with Rogers, thus Rogers can bring pressure to bear on HTC for _us_ (Rogers’ customers) to get that update. Alternately, perhaps Rogers shouldn’t be buying these phones from HTC if HTC is going to saddle us with sub-par phones.

  13. Dave says:

    Great article. In my opinion, both Rogers and HTC are to be blamed. I just can’t imagine why t-mobile’s MyTouch3G can have OS upgrades over the air while the Rogers Magic (which actually has more RAM) cannot. What’s the difference? Ah, one says “google” on it.
    So, it is a marketing and licensing thing. If so, then both HTC and Rogers should clearly state on their websites that these phones are NOT android phones and warn new clients that they won’t expect any updates on their OS. Otherwise, anyone who reads “Androids” would somehow correlate it to “Google” because they read the news and various articles stating that “Google” is the creator of androis (le Microsoft creating Windows) and expect upgrades as the OS advances. Good grief, Google is giving the upgrades for free. How hard is it to upgrade?

  14. j0ecanad1an says:

    This is a great summary of our HTC/Rogers problems. I have sent a link to all of my friends and family to let know how HTC and Rogers treat their valuable customers.

  15. bubbacanuck says:

    As a customer do you care who is at fault? Rogers is the provider and it is up to them to deliver, not give lame excuses. And I still call b.s. on rogers. My Rogers Magic has 1.6 and the About screen says it is now a T-Mobile myTouch 3G. Works peachy on Rogers like it did with 1.5. There is simply not anything different that prevents an upgrade other than money and legal b.s.
    root it and be done with it. however rogers will be loosing me as a customer soon and so will HTC no matter how nifty their devices are.

  16. bubbacanuck says:

    FYI, another 1.6 update last night and now my Magic is back to saying I have an HTC Magic instead of a t-mobile 3g. Minor bug fixes and speed improvements. Functions the same as Rogers ROM except faster, cleaner, and runs any 1.6 app including goggles etc.
    rogers can keep their heads in the sand and continue the decades old Provider Knows Best staring Danny Thomas show. But I’ve moved into the 21st century and will update on my own.

  17. Alexi says:

    Thanks, Bubba, for clearly exposing the (obvious) lie in what HTC and Rogers have been saying. I, like many of you, bought an Android phone because I’m a techie and wanted to be on this side of the street where an open source OS existed and so frequent upgrades would be available. Of course, when I asked about upgrades, I was told that they’d be available over the phone (wouldn’t even need to download them using my PC!), and so I was sold — I was promised all of the power of something like an iPhone with none of the limitations.

    Except, of course, it turns out that Rogers (and in my case, possibly LG) *are* limiting me — and far, far worse than Apple ever would have. I’m beyond upset at this, and it really makes me wonder what the point of the Open Handset Alliance is if none of its members (and the carriers) are actually making open handsets? I mean, wasn’t that the point?

    And, of course, Rogers just inisists that it’s my problem — because they’re treating the Android phones as “webphones” (according to their newest push, where my phone is now free, never mind what I paid for it last month) rather than actually dealing with Android and its strengths.

    I suppose, though, if they manage to strangle Android enough that people just give up on it, then they’ll never, ever have to pay for upgrades or actually provide customer service, so maybe that’s the approach.

    So, at this point, I guess Rogers thinks that I’m stuck with a “webphone” with a limited feature-set and I’m just supposed to suck it up and be happy?

    Well, I’m not.

    Why should I have to endure a phone that gets a little less useful every day (as apps get upgraded to 1.6 or 2.0)? Why should *I* be the one who suffers for *your* broken promises?

    What happened to the “revolution”, Rogers? (Or was that someone else’s ad copy that you forgot to read before you released it?)

  18. Aryu Forele says:

    In a world where children go hungry and people don’t have clean water to drink, THIS is how you’ve decided to spend your energy?

  19. mjschmidt says:

    @Aryu Forele: Your comment presumes that I spend no time helping hungry children, or people without clean water, perhaps because _this_ blog does not deal with those issues, and, since you don’t actually know me, you have not witnessed the things I have done in support of those causes. If that is your logic, I hope you are posting the exact same comment on every blog and web site that does not deal with those issues.

    There are people who are capable of supporting more than one cause with verve, I am one of them. I don’t need to prove to you, or anyone, what I do and have done for any humanitarian causes, and I recommend you put your efforts to better use elsewhere by lobbying your MPP and MP (if you are Canadian). For the record, since you don’t list a link in your comment, have you created a blog & twitter account to bring attention to your causes?

  20. Andy2010 says:

    @Aryu Forele : Why are you spending your time reading this blog? Aren’t you wasting your time as well?? Some people!

  21. Francis says:

    A message to any Rogers employees looking at this blog.

    Hey Rogers. Us geeks are a fickle bunch. Remember that. I lined up for my HTC Magic at best buy on the launch day. I was the only one… lol. Since then, I’ve been spending a small fortune for the added services on a monthly basis, with the idea in mind that since you’ve got me by the wallet and balls, that I’d at least have a HTC Magic that was updated and able to do what any other Android user is able to do.

    So far, no paid apps in the Market and no 1.6. I can just as easily not recommend Rogers to anyone, anymore.. and tell them to hop over to Telus for the Milestone/Droid in January.
    I’d be happy to pay any carrier that will give a proper Android experience. I have 5 cellphones to my name for family and business… I will drop them like a hot brick if we don’t get some kind of action. IF you value me as a customer, and all your others for that matter you’ll GET OFF YOUR BUTT, and give us 1.6. Or make up for all this crap and give us 2.0?? That would indeed make up for this delay…

    I’ll take my money, my family’s money.. my friends money, my clients money and I will tell anyone I run into at futureshop, bestbuy (and any stranger willing to listen for that matter) who are looking at phones to skip Rogers. Us geeks already know more about these devices than the people selling them. I’ve personally educated a few of the futureshop sales staff on these phones… I’ve given you sales for crying out loud.

    Do the right thing.

    P.S. Yes I have sent Rogers and HTC complaint mails too… I just feel like adding to the site.

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  23. bubbacanuck says:

    This is what the geeks need to do, buy unlocked phones and your service with no contract. Not their locked phones without contract, a real phone. Update as you please.

    However, just as in the states the networks aren’t compatible partly for this very reason so that people can’t so easily move around even without contracts. So pick your phone wisely or just be happy with an unlocked phone that can be updated. Mine isn’t unlocked but I chose to root it and am happy enough for now.
    There is no technical reason for not doing what we were promised. That part is indeed obvious.

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