Carrier-Branded & Custom UI vs the Google-Experience

The Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 will be coming to Rogers soon, along with a number of new Android handsets (we’ve discussed it before) and Android fans have been hammering Sony Ericsson (SE) for their decision to release a phone with Android 1.6 and no guarantee of an update to 2.0 or 2.1 on the Rogers network.

Yesterday, official SE blogger Sumit Malhotra (possibly also the SE Twitterer? not sure) posted a lengthy “rebuttal” of sorts to all of the criticism and questions leveled at the X10 on the “inter-webs”. He is very polite throughout, and does his best to offer us some reassurance, the problem is that his post drips of marketing and PR drivel, and simply demonstrates yet again that the manufacturers (and carriers) are stuck in a very old cell-phone mind set, and that they simply don’t understand Android or Android users.

Specifically the biggest criticism made about the X10 is that despite its powerful hardware, it will be “crippled” upon its release because of literally out-of-date software. When the X10 debuts on Rogers’ network, it will be sporting Android 1.6. Now, you may be wondering why I’m complaining about that, given that the name of this blog is “I Want My One Point Six” (it was catchy, and I don’t really want to pay for another domain name now. ;-) )? The problem is, Android is already up to 2.1!

The day the X10 launches with Android 1.6, it will be competing against the Motorola Milestone (Android 2.0) on Telus, not to mention the Acer Liquid E (Android 2.1) on Rogers network itself! Oh, and don’t forget that even my HTC Magic will be getting 2.1 (provided Rogers and HTC keep their promise). We asked the question before, which would you rather have, slightly better hardware, or the latest OS? This highlights the misunderstanding amongst the manufacturers and carriers about what Android is, and what users want from an Android “experience”.

IT’S ABOUT THE APPS, STUPID!

ATTENTION MANUFACTURERS AND CARRIERS: You obviously haven’t got this message yet… Android phones are, in fact, Mini-Computers. I know that may be hard for you to wrap your pretty heads around, you’re so used to “dumb” phones that don’t do much other than make calls, send text messages, and maybe take photos at 1.5 MP, and render some web pages poorly on tiny screens. I have an HTC Magic, and I occasionally use it to make phone calls. Mostly I use it as a replacement for my PDA, and for productivity when pulling put my lap top would be difficult. I use it for email, I use it to text, but I also use it to take notes, make to-do lists, check my calendar, play games (wish we had games like they have on the iPhone!), listen to music, watch videos on YouTube, and even create WORD, EXCEL, and POWERPOINT documents with the awesome Documents To Go from DataViz (no, they did NOT pay me to say that).

Here’s something else Manufacturers don’t seem to “get”; when new versions of the Android OS are released, the “Devs” (those are people who make “apps” for our phones) use the newest APIs (thats what lets them make apps that “work” with Android) to make their apps. Newer OS and newer API means access to new functions, new powers, new awesome. There are already hundreds apps (or more possibly) that require Android 1.6 and up, Android 2.0 and up, and Android 2.1 and up. It’s hard to be sure because if you don’t have the version necessary to run an app, you can’t see it in the Market Place, and as far as I know, no one yet has created a database of which apps work only with specific versions.

This problem of “App version” is compounded by the fact that when devs create newer versions of existing apps, they often remove the old version from the market place. I’ve asked Devs about this. Many of them were surprised to hear that Canadians were still stuck on 1.5! They also told me that keeping older versions of the app in the market is problematic because it can be difficult to support older versions on top of newer versions when they can’t make a newer version “backwards compatible”. The potential outcome is obvious; if Devs remove older versions from the market, and we don’t get the OS updates, we will have even fewer apps available to us in the market place! Add to that the fact that we don’t  yet have paid apps (Hey, Google, where’s that “announcement” you promised was coming this week?!) and there is little incentive for people to choose Android over the iPhone.

SO, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH “BRANDING”

If our fight with Rogers and HTC has taught us anything it’s that “carrier-branded” and “Custom UI” phones are BAD!!!! (Oh yeah, and buying a phone on contract sucks too). Where the HTC Magic and Dream were concerned, Rogers had HTC customized the OS to include Rogers branding, Rogers icons, Exchange mail support, and some other stuff they wouldn’t tell us, but insisted “made it work on the network”. Apparently they had no intention of updating us beyond Android 1.5 (HTC even tried to tell us that 1.5 is an Awesome User Experience! Maybe it will even cure cancer and end war?!) until we pushed and pushed as hard as possible. In the end, Rogers “convinced” them to give us 2.1 for the Magic, and… nothing, for the Dream. True, Dream owners were offered free Magics, so, there’s that.

Meanwhile in the US of A, proud owners of the HTC G1 (Dream) and the MyTouch (Magic) were merrily receiving new OS updates to 1.6 and beyond OTA (Over the Air) as if they were much much better than we. When asked about this, Rogers kept parroting that they couldn’t comment on the phones of other carriers, and HTC kept spewing the drivel that the G1 and the MyTouch are “Google-Experience” phones, and thus they’re not the same. They are apparently “special”.

It comes down to this… the Rogers-Branded phones had customized versions of the OS. HTC had to do extra work to spit them out. Obviously doing extra work costs money and time. Rogers and HTC refused to answer our questions about money. We asked repeatedly if Rogers had to pay for customization or future updates, but it stands to reason that if producing the Rogers-branded updates was easy and or free to do, they would have provided them. The Google-Experience phones apparently don’t require that extra customization, so, as HTC likes to tell it, the updates come right from Google over the magic air waves.

Now comes the SE Xperia X10 with its Android 1.6, and its UXP UI (Thanks to Cooldavee for the correction). A UI is a “User Interface”. The thing about the Android OS is that it can be customized. That has proven to be both a boon and a curse. For those that don’t really know what a UI is, it’s the fancy interface that is put over Android to make it look different from other Android phones, to make its functions look slick and cool, and to generally give it some shine. When you see the fancy videos on the manufactures web sites of their Android phones in action, if they are using a custom UI you will see it in the way they handle the address book, or email, or music. They try to “pretty it up”. The HTC Hero (and now the Magic) have the HTC “Sense UI”, while the X10 has the UXP UI. It looks nice… the problem is, if an Android phone has a custom UI, it means that the Android OS was customized!

Now we’re back in HTC-update-land. If the OS has been customized with a unique UI, it means that every time a new version of Android is released, it too must be customized with the fancy-shmancy UI. This takes an investment of time and money on the part of the manufacturer, and assumes that their fancy-shmancy UI will even work with the new version of the OS! These fancy UI’s can cause the system to slow down, malfunction, or even crash (as we’ve seen with the HTC Magic after it got Sense UI). If you have a phone with a custom UI, that has also been customized for the carrier… look out! Double-whammy!

In a nut shell, the X10 has a custom UI, which means any future updates will require SE to make their UI work with the new OS before releasing it. SE has been rather cagey about this. They’ve told us repeatedly (and Rogers parrots it) that the X10’s UI has the ability to “evolve” to 2.0, but they won’t actually confirm if it will be updated to 2.0, or even if Rogers customers will get it if/when it does “evolve”. They’ve also said that 2.1 is “beyond” them at the moment.

This is where we come back to Malhotra’s blog post. He kindly tells us just how awesome the X10’s UI is, and why he loves it, and why we should love it. He says,

Interestingly enough the focus on OS version changes over course of a minute or so. Demonstrating the generic Android capabilities with our graphical enhancements is a starting point. The home screen, the immediate responsiveness of the big capacitive screen, the true multitasking that Android allows, the easy and rich access to Google services like maps and android market. All that is there and for me that is the base functionality, which I really appreciate and use on a day to day basis.

Then I introduce the signature applications; Sony Ericsson TimescapeTM and Mediascape and the focus of the discussion shifts from talking about this layer on top of Android, that I refer to as the Sony Ericsson User Experience platform. I now find myself discussing the total  experience rather the OS version in isolation with a great appreciation about what we are bringing to the table. Then the interest of the User Experience platform future roadmap gets to be the talking point instead. What I hope to get across to you all, is that there will be a software update for Xperia X10 that will upgrade the complete Sony Ericsson User Experience Platform based on newer version of the Android OS.

In other words, people ask him about the OS version, and he says to them “Yeah, but look at this… see? Shiny!” SE doesn’t get it. They came up with something that looks cool, but if it can’t do what we want it to do, namely, run the latest, greatest apps, then shiny is dumb. Just because you can fool people with the “awesome UI” into forgetting their questions about the OS version doesn’t mean you have a great product, it just means that a few months down the road many of those customers will be cursing you when they can’t get the latest features Google has released for Android.

Then he says,

I have probably painted a positive picture, but I am sharing the discussions I have had and my take outs from them. I am not trying to hide from the fact that there are platform upgrades between android 1.6 and 2.1, if utilized can enhance the experience for developers and users. Having that said, I have had discussions with carriers that are very sensitive and concerned generally about taking on devices in their range that are not competetive [sic] enough. I have faced head to head comparisons between Xperia X10 and generic 2.1 Android devices (as well as other OS) and carriers have concluded that we still stand strong in comparison.  This because of the layer that we ad on top of the generic  OS.

Let me translate for you… what he’s really saying is, “OMFG I LOVE WORKING FOR SONY ERICSSON AND THIS PHONE LOOKS PRETTY!” He acknowledges the fact that there are OS upgrades, and that carriers are obviously feeling the pressure to have those updates, but apparently SE has used a Jedi mind trick to convince the carriers that they can also disregard any concern over Android OS upgrades because the X10 is pretty!!!

Near the end he says,

I will not be able to fully understand a developers take on this discussion (and we do have a dedicated community for that), but I would be very interested to hear you feedback. Reading the posts, it ranges from time to market, concerns about whether the product is “future proof” etc, but what are your biggest concerns when it comes to usage? What benefits from the 2.1 release are you most interested in?

You can’t understand? Then why are we talking to you? Why are you talking to us? Why don’t you hire one or two Devs and ASK THEM!!!! What benefits from the 2.1 release interest us? How about ALL OF THEM! Do you get it yet? If there weren’t new benefits to an updated OS, Google wouldn’t release an update. We want everything 2.1 can do, and we want to be able to use the apps that require 2.1. I’ll say it again… these aren’t phones, they are mini-computers!

Malhotra does say that “an update is coming” but not what that update is, or when it’s coming, or even to whom it’s coming. Unless something has changed since my Twitter conversation with SE, the “update” will likely be to 2.0, but not 2.1. Also, given what we experienced with Rogers and HTC, if the X10 is also a “Rogers-Branded” phone on top of having a custom UI, we might not get the update here in Canada, unless Rogers and SE have an agreement to give us that update with any Rogers customizations.

A NOTE TO CARRIERS… ROGERS, ARE YOU LISTENING?

If carriers want to sell Android phones, and be competitive, they need to realize what these custom UIs and carrier-customizations really mean. They mean limited choice and limited appeal. If you have a manufacturer customize Android for you, you might have to pay more for updates to the phone later, and if you’re not willing to do that, you are going to piss off a lot of customers. There are benefits to having a “Google-Branded” or “Google-Experience” phone, chief among them, that the users will get the updates, and will thank you for not leaving them stranded with an obsolete phone after only a few months.

Carriers think that by customizing the OS with their branding and (non-functional) icons they are serving some greater PR purpose should realize there is a better way…. apps! Do what T-Mobile did, hire a few Devs, and have them create some amazing, official  T-Mobile apps! When T-Mobile launched the MyTouch, they had some custom apps created, and pre-loaded, for their users. These apps in some cases are actually pretty awesome. Myself, I am using T-Mobile’s “Fresh Face” to skin my Magic and get extra Home screens. If Rogers did this, they could have those apps preloaded, along with some of their wallpapers, but not need to customize the OS ROM. They still get their PR in, and we get a Google-Experience phone that will get updates.

The Telus Motorola Milestone has the “with Google” logo on the back, not the Telus logo. I played with one in the store, vanilla Android 2.0. We’re still waiting for confirmation, but it would seem that this might mean it is, in fact, a Google-Experience phone, and that, pending approval from Telus (?) users will get the updates Google releases, just like Droid owners in the US (the Droid is the US version of the Milestone). This is, in my humble opinion, an advantage for Telus.

Hey, Rogers, we want our Google-Experience phones! I don’t know about the Acer Liquid E yet, whether or not it will have a custom UI, or be customized by Rogers, but I’d much rather have consistent OS updates than a shiny, flashy UI.

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posted by mjschmidt in 2.1, Acer Liquid E, Android 1.6, Dream, HTC, Magic, Motorola Milestone, Other Blogs, Rogers, Telus, XPERIA X10 and have Comments (4)

All US Android phones to get 2.1 but not Canada

So…. apparently all the US Android phones will be getting 2.1. That’s right, ALL of them…. including… wait for it… the G1. For those who don’t know, the G1 in the US is the Dream here in Canada. That’s the one Rogers and HTC said would NOT be getting 2.1 because it “can’t support it”. To be clear, the article below says that some phones won’t have all the functionality of 2.1, but will still get 2.1, which means access to the apps that require 2.1 at the very least.

Hey, Rogers, anything you want to say to us? Maybe, um… “sorry”? It looks like maybe HTC led you astray when they told you the Dream couldn’t support 2.1. What’s even worse is that the Dream can’t (yet) be rooted after the recent 911BugFix update.

Now, in Rogers defense, they DID give all their Dream owners a FREE Magic (which will get 2.1), so we have to give them a LOT of credit for that, but the Dream is once again available for sale on the Rogers web site, so there will be some new owners who won’t have the option of getting a free Magic instead, and who will be stuck on 1.5, even though the Dream’s US equivalent will be able to run 2.1!

Now, HTC and Rogers will likely pull out the old “Those US phones are Google-Experience phones, and the Rogers ones aren’t” which is true. The difference is, in our case anyway, Rogers and HTC told us that the Dream WOULD NOT be capable of running 2.1. WHOOPS! Looks like they were wrong, or they lied. Either way, maybe it’s time Rogers just got rid of the Dream altogether. Oh, and when your new Android phones come it, don’t tell us they won’t support future OS updates until we ALL know for sure that they won’t, otherwise you might end up with more egg on your face.

From Lifehacker and Android & Me:

After talking with several inside sources familiar with the matter, I would like to report that every Android phone currently released in the United States will be receiving an upgrade to Android 2.1.

You can read the full article here.

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Rogers Sony X10 vs Android Liquid E

So Rogers is bring to market both the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 and the Acer “Liquid E” Android phones. I see that there are already separate threads for these two phones, but wanted to post a comparison in one place.

Here’s the important info (we don’t have pricing yet that I’ve seen).

Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 (Avail Q2)
(GSM Arena)

Size: 119.0 x 63.0 x 13.0 mm (4.7 x 2.5 x 0.5 inches)
Weight: 135.0 g (4.8 oz)
Memory: Phone memory 1GB, 384 MB RAM + SanDisk microSD™ up to 16GB, (8GB included)
Camera: 8.1 MP with auto focus, flash, video, and image stabilizer.
Processor: Qualcomm QSD8250 Snapdragon 1 GHz processor
ANDROID VERSION: 1.6 at launch. (SE says the X10’s UI is capable of “evolving” to 2.0 over time, whatever that means, but they won’t say when or if this will happen for sure on Rogers. They’ve also said that 2.1 is “beyond” them at the moment).

Acer Liquid E
(GSM Arena)

Size: 115 x 64 1275 mm
Weight: 135 g
Memory: Internal: 256MB RAM, 512MB ROM + microSD up to 32GB (comes with?)
Camera: 5 MP, autofocus, video, (flash unknown)
Processor: Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250 768 MHz processor
ANDROID VERSION: 2.1

So, decisions, decisions… They both have the same processor, but the X10’s is running faster. The X10 also has a whopping _1GB_ of intrnal memory (that’s a lot for an Android phone!) and an 8 MP camera. Howevr, it’s Android 1.6, and we don’t know when it will be updated.

The Acer on the other has a slightly slower processor, half the internal memory, and only 5 MP camera (plus we don’t know yet if it has a flash that i could see), but it comes with Android 2.1.

Given the problems we’ve had getting updates to our Rogers Android phones, what would be the deciding factor for you? Faster processor, better camera, and more internal memory… or Android 2.1?

(This is assuming, of course, that neither can br rooted, or that you don’t want to root).

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posted by mjschmidt in Acer Liquid E, Android 1.6, Rogers, XPERIA X10 and have Comments (4)

Canadian Android Wars Heat Up

So, Telus launched the Motorola Milestone ahead of schedule! For those who are not in the know, the Motorola Milestone is just the Canadian version of the Motorola Droid in the US.

The basic specs are as follows:

Technology HSPA
Weight 140 grams
Size 115.80 x 60.00 x 13.74mm
Talk time* up to 5.2 hours
Standby time* up to 9.8 days
Internal memory N/A
External memory expandable to 32GB
Camera 5MP with flash and DVD quality video recorder

What does this mean for Android in Canada and for Rogers? Rogers has long touted themselves as being not only on the front line of bringing Android to Canada, but being the front line. There was a glorious Android Revolution, although it has had some problems.

Now we have some serious Android hardware in Canada. It may not be the Nexus One, but it’s better than anything Rogers and Bell currently offer. Rogers is getting the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 some time in “Q2″, but we don’t know yet when. The question will be whether or not the majority of interested owners will have already gone with the powerful Milestone.

It is interesting to note that the Milestone comes with Android 2.0, while the X10 will debut on android 1.6. In other words, Rogers will be bringing to market a phone they must hope will compete with the Milestone, but which will debut with a version of Android that is already obsolete!

Rogers has been parroting the Sony Ericsson marketing line about how the X10’s UI will “evolve” to Android 2.0 over time, they just don’t say when. For those who may not really understand all the nuances of Android, you need to know that the X10 runs a “skin” over Android, (like HTC does with their Sense UI), so what they really mean to say is that they are working on making the X10’s UI work with Android 2.0. They haven’t said anything about Android 2.1 yet.

In fairness to Rogers, as long as they and HTC keep their promise, the Magic will be getting Android 2.1 some time “by mid year”, which should give Rogers a small advantage over their competition, (though the Magic will be inferior hardware by that point). We haven’t heard anything about Bell’s plans for Android beyond the Samsung Galaxy, and last we heard Wind was in talks with Google for the Nexus One. Not that would be a scoop!

It will be interesting to see how the Android landscape in Canada changes over the next 3 to 6 months. Spring is coming, people will be getting out more, and having cool new smart phones to organize & socialize will bring interest to the platform. There are lots of new Android phones coming out state-side and elsewhere in the world, so hopefully we will get some of those things here.

If Rogers wants to stay ahead of the pack and continue their “revolution” they need not only to bring powerful, new Android phones to market, but demonstrate they truly understand Android and Android users by properly supporting the platform with OS upgrades, better technical support for Android, and by abandoning some of their strong-arm tactics which have resulted in Magics that have had some functionality removed after the last update.

With the Microsoft phone coming to market by end of year, the “smart phone wars” are going to heat up, and Rogers needs to step up their game if they want to win that war.

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posted by mjschmidt in Android 1.6, HTC, Magic, Motorola Milestone, Rogers, Telus, XPERIA X10 and have No Comments

Rogers 911BugFix Bluetooth Test

I had a chance to meet with Puleen last night and test my blue tooth headset with his updated Magic. The short answer is, some of the bluetooth functionality we had before the update is now gone. Below is a more detailed account of the test. First, for comparison, is a recap of what I can do currently with my non-updated Magic.

With a non-updated, non-rooted HTC Magic:
- I can pair my Motorola H390 BT headset to my phone.
- Using the voice dialer, or TopVoiceControl  ( a 3rd party app), I can start a call by pressing the button on my BT headset.
• Specifically, when I press the button on my BT Headset, it initiates the “Voice Search” on the phone. I can speak into the BT headset (as opposed to the handset) and say “Call Wife” to have it search through my contacts for my Wife’s number. The phone shows the results on the screen, prompting me to verify my choice by pressing the name on the screen. (With TopVoiceControl I can set it to autodial if there is only one result, meaning complete hands-free dialing).
- I can answer a call by pressing the button on the BT headset.
- I can end a call by pressing the button on the BT headset.
- NOTE: The Voice Dialer can also be launched by “long-pressing” the green “call” hard-button on the phone, and a search can be initiated by speaking into the BT headset.

With the updated, non-rooted HTC Magic:
- I can pair my Motorola H390 BT headset to the phone.
- The Voice Dialer app was removed in the update, so we installed the TopVoiceControl 3rd party app for direct comparison.
- When I press the button on the BT headset nothing happens on the phone. The “Voice Search” function is not initiated on the phone. This means calls can NOT be made y pressing the button on the BT headset as they could before.
- Holding the BT headset button for more than a second causes the phone to auto-dial the last number in the call log.
- I can answer a call by pressing the button on the BT headset.
- I can end a call by pressing the button on the BT headset.
- NOTE: TopVoiceControl can be launched by “long-pressing” the green “call” hard-button on the phone, BUT a search can NOT be initiated by speaking into the BT headset. The phone does not hear what is being said in to the headset, only what is said into the microphone on the phone.

So, it looks like some of the bluetooth functionality is missing from the bluetooth “stack. Specifically, the phone “hears” you when you speak in to the BT headset during a call, but not when doing a search with the voice dialer (in this case the 3rd party app TopVoiceControl because Voice Dialer was removed). Also, the ability to launch the voice dialer by pressing the button on the BT headset is missing.

I know that many in the Android forums from the US and elsewhere have commented that they don’t have the BT functionality that we had here before the update, that it was apparently rather unique to the Rogers build. So if I had to guess, I’d figure that in order to get the 911 update pushed out as quickly as possible, HTC likely took a ROM they made for a different wireless carrier that had the 911 bug fixed, and added the minimum modifications for the Rogers network. This would explain why these functions are now missing from the bluetooth stack.

This is problematic, because it means users must either create one-touch dialing icons on their screen, or launch the voice dialer by long-pressing the Call button, and hoping that the phone can hear them properly from its car mount (since you can do a voice search through the BT headset). Either way it means having to look at your phone and touch it to make a call while driving, and we now have a “hands-free” law in Ontario, Canada.

This also means that my phone currently has a function that I wanted, and which was a deciding factor in my purchase of the phone, but which is removed after the update.

An analogy would be if one of the reasons you bought a new car was because you liked the stereo system, but when you took it in to get it fixed to make it road-worthy, they removed your stereo and replaced it with an cheap AM-only radio (which wasn’t necessary). To continue the analogy to Rogers, the dealership warned people who didn’t take their cars in to be fixed that if they didn’t take them in, they’d remotely reduce their speed, so they could still drive, just not as fast. All they’d have to do to get their speed back is to bring it in to get the fix done. Of course in the process they will remove the sweet stereo you paid for, and replace it with a crappy AM radio, against your wishes.

I will need to continue my consideration of whether or not to update. If HTC returns the original BT functionality to the phone in Android 2.1, then perhaps I will wait until then to update.

EXTRA:

If, like me, you haven’t updated your phone yet and don’t want to, or you have rooted your phone, and don’t want to lose root, Rogers has made available an electronic waiver that can be signed to get your data back. The English version is hereThe French version is here.

Before you sign, pay special attention to the last clause:

Rogers will not be liable to me or any third party for any personal injury or damages resulting from or relating to the inability of my HTC device to complete a 9-1-1 call and I will compensate Rogers for any costs it incurs relating to same.

The emphasis on the last part of the sentence was added by me to make sure you notice the implication, which I have confirmed with RogersMary, if anyone sues Rogers because your phone couldn’t call 911 properly, you would have to pay the costs.

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posted by mjschmidt in 911, Android 1.6, Dream, HTC, Magic, Other Blogs, Rogers, UPDATE and have No Comments

Rogers Dream>Magic Upgrade Program Returns

Yesterday a number of members of the forum alerted us that Rogers had restarted the upgrade program offering a FREE HTC Magic to each Dream owner. RogersMary has confirmed this. Here is her post:

Hi Everyone. I can confirm that the Dream to Magic upgrade promotion is up and running again. Here are the details:

  • Current Rogers customers who activated a new Rogers HTC Dream through Dec. 31, 2009 – either through upgrade or a new activation – may upgrade that device to an HTC Magic for a limited time.
  • Upgrades must be done through Customer Care (1-888-Rogers1) or through Rogers.com (existing 3yr data plan required for online upgrades, instructions below). This special upgrade offer does not apply in store.
    **Note** This offer is pre-loaded so please ensure the CSR is looking into your account when you talk to them.
  • This limited-time upgrade is available between February 9 and February 14 only.
  • The $79 upgrade cost of the device, plus the $35 administration fee are being waived. Customers who choose to take advantage of this offer get a $599 phone for $0 with the renewal of a three-year term from the date of the upgrade (For most customers, this will represent a contract extension of seven months or less).
  • The upgrade is completely optional. Customers who choose to can stick with their HTC Dreams and remain in their current contracts.
  • All Rogers HTC Magic devices have been updated with the 1.5 OS that includes Sense UI. The Rogers HTC Magic will also receive a 2.1 OS upgrade later this year when HTC make it available.

If you run into any problems with this limited time upgrade, please contact the @RogersHelps team via Twitter.

Thanks!
Mary
@RogersMary
Mary @ Rogers (RogersMary) on Twitter

Some forum members say they have been contacted by Rogers, and other have called in on their own. After the program was put on hold, many members mentioned that their orders were outright canceled by Rogers, so if you had an order in for a Magic upgrade before it was put on hold, you might want to make sure that your order was not canceled.

The new program runs from February 9 to 14 only! So you have a VERY limited time to get in on the exchange.

Some important info to remember: If you call and ask a Rogers CSR you will likely get many different answers because they have NO clue, and very little training.

The following is NOT true:

1. It is NOT true that the Dream to Magic upgrade was/is because of the 911 bug.

2. It is NOT true that the upgrade has been canceled because the bug has been fixed.

3. It is NOT true that you have to pay anything.

4. It is NOT true that you have to send in your Dream.

If a CSR or rep from the Office of the President (OotP) tells you any of the above, he/she is either ignorant or lying, but either way, wrong.

The following is TRUE:

1. To qualify for the upgrade, you must have purchased your HTC Dream from Rogers WITH a 3 year data contract prior to Dec 31, 2009.

2. You do NOT have to pay ANYTHING! Zip, Zero, Zilch, Nada, Bupkiss!

3. You do NOT have to send back your Dream. You get to KEEP IT!

These are facts as confirmed by Rogers Mary. The BEST thing you can do when you call is ask them FIRST to look in your account for a note about your HTC Dream phone and the upgrade. RogersMary says everyone who qualifies will have a note on their account. If you just call up and ask about the “Dream Upgrade” or the “Magic Upgrade” you will probably just confuse them. If a Rogers CSR tried to tell you that Mary does not exist or is not a Rogers employee, I can confirm that she is. Her official title is:

Mary Pretotto
Manager, Social Media Monitoring & Engagement
Rogers Communications Inc.

No, I will not give you her email address. You can find her on Twitter or in the forums.

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posted by mjschmidt in @RogersMary, Android 1.6, Dream, HTC, Magic, Rogers and have Comments (8)

Is Rogers Redirecting 911 Calls?

UPDATE: We corresponded with the user from the XDA forums who was not able, at the moment to product the call log for us. He does, however, say the following:

If the CCTS/CRTC has use for the log I will share it with them.  I doubt they’ll know what to do with it either way.  Otherwise, at this point it has been confirmed that Rogers is not (currently) diverting 911 calls.

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A user in the XDA forums claims he tested making a call to 911 and was redirected to Rogers Customer Service.

RogersMary has apparently denied that this could happen, but the user in question says he checked his call logs and it was there. We will have to find out if he does in fact have the call log to prove it, and if he does that will be pretty damning of Rogers. Perhaps something the CRTC might like to know if it proves to be true.

http://www.litui.net/archives/838

From the XDA forums:

ben.selinger

Well, I’m pretty sure “I” didn’t redirect my 911 test call to Rogers support, and someone certainly did. I will certainly admit the possibility that while I am positive I dialed 911, and pressed send, that my handset may have dialed a different number, but according to my call log, I did call 911, and the call was intercepted. If anyone else is still having their calls diverted, perhaps you could call up your local emergency response authority, and schedule an emergency 911 call. It may be pointless at this point, as Rogers has clearly acknowledged the issue internally, so they may have had time to rectify the situation.

Regardless, even the possibility that 911 calls are intercepted, will be filed with my complaint to the CCTS tomorrow morning. Perhaps they will investigate further, and perhaps my experience with 911 interception/diversion is unique, but I’ll them decide who is correct in the matter. I will also be discussing the matter with my employer, as well as my customers.

I doubt the CCTS will do anything unless everyone else effected, reports this ongoing incident as well. I’m sure my employer won’t switch phone companies immediately either, but I’ll bet it will be a consideration when our contract comes up for renewal, as incidents like this will inevitably cost us good relationships with long standing customers. Incidentally, I did happen to have a customer (private customer, not affiliated with my primary employer) who required my assistance, who was not able to contact me because I had not received his emails on Saturday evening. When I got home at 2330, and checked emails using my land line, I tried to phone him, and was redirected to Rogers, who wasted nearly 30 minutes getting my voice service re-activated temporarily.

Perhaps Rogers didn’t fully consider the impact of this most recent move…
eg1; Company A has a contract with Company B, to provide 24/7 mission critical data center monitoring. Company A’s voice and data services are provided on contract, by Rogers business services. Friday evening, Rogers disconnects both voice and data to Customer A, while Customer B’s web server fails. Customer A is never informed of said failure, as he’s not receiving email on his phone, and will not discover the catastrophe until Monday morning. Company B sues Company A for not fulfilling its legal contract. Company A sues Rogers for breaching its contract.
eg2; Rogers customer is navigating through the mountains, relying on GPS and data from their Android device. Rogers disconnects data service without notice, leaving the customer lost in the mountains. Yup, this happened to me during the first round of disconnections. I drove around for the majority of the day looking for a way back to the highway. I nearly ran out of fuel, and it was about -35C out. If I had run out of fuel, I suppose I could’ve called for a tow truck or 911, except that I’d be diverted to Rogers support.
eg3; The most unlikely, but certainly most important. Customer has a voice and data plan with Rogers. Customer uses a non-Rogers branded HTC Android device (there’s NOTHING in the contract which stipulates a requirement for hardware or software. Lets pretend he’s using a T-mobile G1, which has been upgraded by T-mobile, to fix the 911 bug, over a year ago). Customer is driving down the highway at night, at -35C and looses control, and hits the ditch. Customer is injured, and barely conscious, and attempts to dial his/her family, or 911. Rogers intercepts the call like retards, and the customer dies from his/her injuries or due to exposure. Way to go Rogers.

Now, as far as I’ve been made aware, in Canada, any cellular service provider MUST accept 911 calls from any phone which is compatible with their network, regardless of the existence of an existing service agreement (someone please correct me if I am mistaken). Less important, but still relevant, is that Rogers has a contract with their customers, to provide voice and data services. They have repeatedly breached this contract, by disconnecting both services, without warning. I rather doubt that Rogers will challenge the legality of this, as it would certainly cause most rational folk, to think twice about signing with a provider who makes no assurances of anything whatsoever, regardless of Rogers’ legal obligations.

I certainly don’t have much hope for an immediate customer victory on this issue, but I am quite positive, that I, as well as many others, will keep this incident in mind when renewing our cellular contracts for ourselves, for our businesses, and for our customers who rely on us to provide good judgement on our choices between providers.

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Rogers just won’t stop

An update on the Rogers Android 911 bug fiasco.

Rogers has now started redirecting calls made from unpatched or rooted Android phones. Users have posted in the forums that when they tried to make a call from their Android phone they were redirected to Rogers customer service.

RogersMary confirmed it via Twitter:

RogersMary @GreatBigDog01 @IWMOPS Custs are being directed to Care to ensure they’re aware of fix. This in no way impacts ability to call 911 direct.

This is just too far.

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Rogers Android 911 Debacle Continues

Okay, Rogers… someone there must be trying to get a head start on April Fool’s Day… right?

At about 7:00pm this evening I received another text message from Rogers warning me about the 911 bug fix. I’ve been getting them every day since this 911 debacle started, and I haven’t updated yet, but this one seemed more dire at first glance. I pulled it up and read it in its entirety. Imagine my surprise when I discovered Rogers is now warning us to TURN OFF WiFi to make sure 911 calls complete!

Are you kidding me, Rogers?

So, let’s recap.

Jan. 19 2010: Rogers warns us for the first time about the 911 bug. Their urgent text message to owners warns them to disable GPS in order to make sure 911 calls complete properly. It says NOTHING about Data or WiFi, only GPS.

Jan. 22 2010: Rogers sends out a new text message informing us that a fix for the 911 issue is available. They warn that if the fix is not installed, they will disable our phones’ Data connection as of Jan. 24, and it will remain disabled until the update is applied.

At this point many users install the update; or rather, those who have access to Windows XP or Vista update. It turns out Rogers and HTC have not heard of Windows 7, Linux, or the fancy computer device called a “Mac”. Those users have to wait for a new fix that can be run from the SD card.

Immediately after updating, many users discover new bugs, not to mention missing applications, and in some cases even bricked phones. Yay, Rogers!

Jan. 24: Rogers pulls the trigger, and data is cut off to those who have not yet updated. Oh,… wait… it’s also cut off for those who DID update. “Don’t worry!” Roger says, “It’s only for 24 hours for those of you who updated.” Sadly it is not… and many users who update go without data for days and days.

Some users who have previously rooted their phones, and who are using a version of Android that was ALREADY fixed for 911, manage to successfully call in to Rogers customer support and have their networks refreshed, regaining data. For some it continues to work, for others it gets cut off again. Rogers gets wise to the ploy, and instructs all of their techs and CSRs to refuse to perform network resets. (Funny, isn’t it, then when it benefits Rogers every tech and CSR is updated IMMEDIATELY and they all know what to do, but when it’s a program to benefit customers, like the Dream to Magic exchange, the majority of Techs and CSRs are clueless, not to mention members of the Office of the President!).

Jan. 25 to Feb. 4: Rogers pesters users daily with text messages and recorded messages to their cell phones about the bug fix. Rogers even calls people at HOME and at WORK! I personally had to call Rogers and threaten to report them to the CRTC for harassment before a CSR offered to remove my home number from my profile in the hope that it would stop the calls (For the record, I do NOT have Rogers home phone, I am with Bell).

Feb. 5: Rogers sends out their new threat… I mean… warning.

URGENT NEW 911 INFORMATION: HTC Magic software update: If you have not updated your software, GPS and WiFi MUST be disabled on your phone to help ensure 911 connectivity. Network internet access was temporarily disabled on your phone. The same issue can occur through WiFi Internet.

GPS Instructions: Menu-Settings-Location-Uncheck Enable GPS Satellite

WiFi Instructions: Menu-Settings-Wireless-Controls-Uncheck WiFi

Mandatory software update is now available. Go immediately to rogers.com/magicsoftwareupdate on your PC to download. Upon completion internet access will be re enabled within 24 hours and GPS and WiFi can be re enabled on your phone.For users of Macintosh and Windows 7 call 1- 888-764-3771.

We apologize for this inconvenience but we prioritize customer safety above all.

Then, in the forums, RogersMary posts this:

Hi All – Just letting you know that we’ve updated our online statement:

“IMPORTANT SOFTWARE UPDATE AVAILABLE FOR ROGERS’ HTC DREAM AND MAGIC DEVICES

Updated: Feb. 5, 2010

Rogers Communications customers who have purchased the Rogers HTC Magic or HTC Dream are advised to update the software on their handsets to ensure that 911 calls complete. An issue has been identified in these products that will prevent 911 calls from completing in certain situations. Specifically, calling 911 may reboot the phones if:

a) GPS is enabled on the phone; and
b) a customer is connected to the Internet either through the network or a WiFi connection.

Rogers disabled network internet access on these devices as a short-term fix. Rogers is strongly advising customers who have not yet updated their software to turn off GPS and WiFi connections and to update the software as soon as possible.

Rogers has reached out directly to Dream and Magic customers through multiple SMS text messages and voicemail messages, urging them to install an update that repairs this known issue. Internet service has already been restored for thousands of customers who have completed the update.

For detailed instructions on how to complete this update, customers should click the link for “Rogers HTC Dream/Magic Required Software Upgrade Instructions” below on this page. Customers will need to backup any personal items before the update process. Users of Windows 7 or Macintosh will need to call 1-888-Rogers1 for update instructions. Rogers has also removed all Dream and Magic inventory while updated software is installed on these handsets.

Rogers customers who are using HTC Dream and Magic devices that were not purchased from Rogers need to be aware that the same safety issue is present in some of these devices. HTC has reached out to some Rogers customers to advise that a mandatory software update is now available. As a precautionary interim measure, Rogers strongly recommends that customers turn off the GPS and WiFi capability to ensure 911 call completion. Customers with Dream or Magic devices not purchased from Rogers should contact HTC for further details at 1-866-449-8358. People who purchased HTC Dream or Magic devices from Rogers that are now being used on other networks should also disable GPS and WiFi and contact HTC for more information.

Rogers top priority is protecting the safety of its customers. Rogers sincerely apologizes for this inconvenience. Dream and Magic customers on data plans will automatically be credited for one month of data fees (excluding roaming). This credit will show up on invoices within 60 days.”

Thanks,
Mary
@RogersMary

Let’s put this in to some perspective.

Rogers has claimed REPEATEDLY throughout this that customer safety is their primary concern. They claim that this is why they had to turn off our data, to protect us. Now they insist we must turn off WiFi as well.

So, if Rogers is truly concerned with our safety, why didn’t they turn off data and warn us about WiFi the same day (Jan. 19 for those keeping track) they sent out the first warning? If disabling our phone’s internet access is NECESSARY for E911 calls to complete, and if customer safety is their primary concern, they should have turned off data and warned us about WiFi. But they didn’t.

They did not turn data off for another _5_ days! And, of course, they didn’t warn us about WiFi for _17_ days!

This can lead us to only two conclusions:

1. Turning off data and WiFi are NOT actually necessary to ensure E911 calls complete, and Rogers was perhaps trying to bully us into running the update? (Which by the way, includes its own bugs, changes, and kills rooting).

2. Rogers and HTC are INCOMPETENT and didn’t realize turning off data was necessary for 3 days (when they warned it would be turned off) and about WiFi for _17_ days!

There is, I suppose, a 3rd possibility. It’s possible Rogers did know about Data and WiFi right away, but didn’t want to “upset” us by turning off data immediately and asking us to turn off WiFi. Of course if they chose this route, that would mean they were RECKLESSLY endangering our lives by not telling us something REALLY important!

Let’s also not forget that a Rogers tech was warned about this issue (which Google fixed in Sept of 2009) by a caller in September 2009! Let’s also not forget that HTC knew about the issue, because they worked directly with T-Mobile in the US to make the 911 bug fix part of the _Android 1.6_ update that was pushed out _October 1 2009_!!!

Rogers, why won’t you just admit that you screwed up? Why won’t you just admit that someone in management read about this “cool new thing” called Android and decided Rogers should jump on the bandwagon without truly understanding what it is?

Or were you duped by HTC? You sold us Rogers-branded HTC phones that were “customized” with crap, guaranteeing that we would NOT get updates directly from Google like T-Mobile’s G1 and MyTouch customers, but would, instead have to actually create an online firestorm to embarrass you into getting the update from HTC!?

What’s it going to be, Rogers, will you come clean, confess your sins, and apologise (as well as leave me and my Magic the hell alone) or do I at least put my money where my mouth is and cancel my contract?

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posted by mjschmidt in 911, @RogersMary, Android 1.6, Dream, HTC, Magic, Rogers, UPDATE, Uncategorized and have Comments (6)

LG Eve to get Android 1.6!

As reported in the forums February 1st by pir8 (aka Puleen Patel The Great) LG Canada has announced that the LG Eve will get the Android 1.6 update! According to the information from LG it will be coming some time in the Spring, and should be available for download from both the Rogers and LG web sites. Here is the full announcement from LG:

On behalf of LG, I want to thank you for your inquiry and feedback on the LG Eve. We are happy to announce that LG will be releasing an upgrade to Android 1.6 OS for the LG Eve this Spring, for Rogers customers. The upgrade is expected to be available for download on both the Rogers and LG websites. Soon after, LG will begin shipping the LG Eve with 1.6 OS to our partner Rogers, who will then manage consumer distribution.

In regards to your question about the 911/GPS feature, this bug does not affect the LG Eve.

Thanks again for your feedback and please let me know if you have any other questions.

Cheers,

Sheryl Davey | High Road Communications

It’s great to see Rogers and the manufacturers realizing they must support these phones with proper updates if they want to see the Android market grow in Canada.

To recap, we now have:

• HTC Dream owners get a minor update to Android 1.5 (DONE) and were offered the opportunity to upgrade from a Dream to a Magic for free (currently on hold due to 911bugfix issue).

• HTC Magic get an update to Android 1.5 with Sense UI (DONE) and will get Android 2.1 by “mid year”

• LG Eve to get Android 1.6 by “Spring”

• Sony Xperia X10 to debut with Android 1.6. Sony Ericsson claims it is capable of “evolving to 2.0″ (whatever that means) but that 2.1 is a bit “beyond” them at the moment. apparently it has something to do with their UX skin.

We are still working on trying to get the technical list of changes that were included in the Rogers HTC Magic update since we have been experiencing bugs with our phones after updating. Stay tuned for more!

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posted by mjschmidt in Android 1.6, Dream, HTC, LG Eve, Magic, Other Blogs, Rogers, UPDATE, XPERIA X10 and have Comments (3)
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